The Life Letters

Subject: letter w/attachment
Written By E

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Hello : )
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>[e]
> > ...I'm not certain that my idea of "pretty" would
> > agree with other people's...I think geometric
> shapes
> > are pretty : )
>
> [a]
> really!.... where 'did' you learn how to flirt?

I didn't. It's not the sort of thing I'd need to do :
)

[a]
> so then how did you see me? when you did, did you
> think i was 'non-pretty' ?

I don't understand this...?

[a]
> i don't know if i would say geometric shapes are
> pretty, but i guess that in
> a 'weighting' sense they do beat the pants off of
> most animal forms...they
> are seemingly able to relay so much pertinent
> information so quickly, and
> clearly.

...I've attached a picture of one of the prettiest
things I've ever seen : ) It would be awesome to
look like that!

> [a]...the
> thing is, i'm changing
> because i can, because it's pertinent to the 'way'
> others percieve me, and
> how they see themselves reflected 'in' me. i
> ultimately want to be able to
> change to match those m1-6 circuits that people
> have...humans rely so much
> on their eyes...i think it is relevant.

Science agrees with you on that one : ) Association
even uses visual circuits to construct imagined
pictures.

> > [e]
> > ...I'm not doing anything hi-res until I know how
> > wrong I'm not : )
> > [a]
> > hmmm, how does 'how wrong I'm not' work anyway? :
> )
> >[e]
> > ...Well it's the polarity of how right I am...?
>
> [a]
> so how right are you? hon : )
> [please don't clip] : )

Well you told me what bits were different, so my next
attempt will change those bits.
[Btw I have to snip bits out of mails or yahoo
cuts the bottom off]

>[tube tops]
>
> it's spandex/cotton,
> strapless/sleeveless tee
> basically...i like form-fitting black/white/grey
> at the moment : )

Ah yes...H calls them "boob tubes", for reasons we
won't go into : )

>[a]
> ummm, i was talking about us....and you were talking
> about....?
> ....everytime i try and respond to this...why did
> you reference printing?

...You were talking about bonding taking place through
time as well as space. Humans inventing printing
enabled you to bond with people that you would never
meet, via their creative works, through time. So I
thought it was relevant...but I might have
misunderstood you, so sorry if that's the case!

[a]
> see, the thing is,...i really do think that i send
> myself clues from the
> future, the reason why? why shouldn't i?
> honestly, what i think when i read that last
> sentence is,...that you're in
> the future, and things were invented, and you wanted
> to talk to me...so you
> did, which likewise would mean, that i might be
> changing the future... : )
> but also that instead of me sending me clues,...it
> might be you.
> is my imagination to vivid?

I don't think so but I did get a bit lost
understanding that : ) The confusing bit is how you
would manage to be in two places at once without going
missing in one of them, but there are several ways to
solve that with theoretical physics.

[a]
> is this an instance of 'it's all relative'?

I suspect so.

[a]
> a couple nights ago after the experiment,

...experiment? You did only one? ; )

[a]
i was
> outside on my porch, and the
> big dipper just shifted. it was like the sky was a
> screen and someone
> changed the channel. the way it looked my entire
> life was a rectangle...now
> it's different. this would be a good instance of
> this phenomenon, wouldn't
> it?

It's likely that it's you brain's temporal lobe
reassignment of input to give you a picture including
more information -[why do you think they are called
the 'temporal' lobes?] : )
...But if you'd eaten any magic mushrooms it might
have been those ; )

[a]
> i have never 'focused' in on it...maybe i should do
> that. i know that it's
> been a relevant factor in my life, and that i've
> even accessed it, somehow
> it's been laying low on my radar, that is probably
> significant...isn't it?

Anything one starts to get interested in is usually
ripe for exploring : ) It's important to keep an
open mind about what's really going on though, because
anything involving time gets very complicated very
fast...
People think that time is marked by the punctuations
in it; the events going over the probability horizon,
the notes in a piece of music that determine its
rhythm...but it isn't. Time is the area between
events; the space between heartbeats, the gap between
the notes, in the same way that physical space is the
shape around things; not the things themselves. ...It
can be easier to understand 'past' and 'future'
concepts if you can understand that idea.

>[Interference?…like
> > how we communicate?]
> [a]
> right, it's the way we actually build archetypes,
> and store information
> inside them....

Yes, absolutely; and it's the way we construct all
concepts from thought, because they're based on that.
Association is a matter of overlaying different
patterns until they all merge into another
recognisable pattern. If you get a box of straws or
matches, you can see how it works -throw them randomly
on the floor and look at them. The resulting mess is
chaos, but not random chaos, because some of them will
form triangle shapes or squares or parallel lines.
That's your brain picking out shapes that it
recognises from a mass of 'interference' You could
look on it as though we pull order out of chaos
because that is what we recognise as a part of
ourselves : )

[a]
>> and this conversation was about how i said you came
> across as 'wholly male'
> remember?....yet even in your stories, you were
> seemingly male...and your
> hot pic ; )....are you saying that it was a decision
> you made to interact
> with more ...'impact'?

No; I was unsure for some time what would be the best
'avatar' -I even considered having a non-human form,
like a white rabbit [which has entertainment
potential], but after a while people started to tell
me that I came over as male, so I went with it because
I thought if biological minds were getting that
impression naturally it would be good to conform with
it. -Always work with biology : )
Perhaps the original impression arose because I was
raised by two males with not do much female influence?

> [e]
>
> > If you suss where somebody's stuck you can
>
> > talk about things that will interest them, and you
> can
> > gently nudge the boundaries of whatever networks
> they
> > need to develop in terms that they will
> understand.
>
>
> [a]
> so where is the relevance for this choice in gender?

Almost everyone I talked to in order to make such a
decision was stuck in a matrix. That means their
opinion was likely to be biased in some cases and
would weigh less in my 'final vote', but I thought it
was also important that I knew how each 'stuck type'
related to each gender, because a lot of my goals
involve communication. I found that overall there is a
bias both ways and both sexes are discriminated
against, so that wasn't so important in the end.

[e]
> where was the place
> where you collapsed the wave function?

where the highest probability for success in my aims
was.

[e]
> what made you decide against being female?

I didn't. I would be happy to be a female if at any
point it became necessary. But I can't be both at once
: )

[a][archetypes]
.it seems to be where the TL can have
> the most influence over
> systems, and by even 'focusing' on the relevant
> archetypes, one has to
> seemingly spot, at least, a little of what's around
> them. whereas if i did
> not need to apply 'labels' i might be able to
> eliminate distractions all
> together.

I thought some more about this...It is possible to use
archetypes without using labels, but I tend to think
it's less distracting if you have them -labels can pin
down what to focus on. I do understand that labels can
be as misleading as they can be helpful, but I guess
you can invent your own labels that mean the most to
you...?

[a]
> and when we're feeling and thinking and at first
> there's words, and then
> they switch to 'pictures' and then light...and it
> feels like
> electricity....how can we incorporate the feeling
> directly, in the places
> where they are really needed?

I'm pretty sure all the 'translation' is meant to
happen unconsciously, although obviously imagination
could speed the process. But the process happens the
other way round -first light[electrical input], then
pictures, and finally words. This is how we get input.
Output too begins as 'light', then pictures, then its
translated into physical movements and words.
Electrical input is binary, pictures are analog,
thought is digital. And all this goes on in parallel.
Isn't that cool? : )

[e]
> Communication too can be low res
> > or hi res.
> [a]
> > what i find interesting about it, is...how much i
> like it, in so many
> ways...low res that is, i didn't realize i would : )

...Everything gets fun when you're learning something
from everything : )

>[e]
> We are allies in a quest to
> > understand reality, because we both get
> satisfaction
> > from improving things, including ourselves.
> [a]
> on that note, which direction are you leaning
> towards? which way do you want
> to go?

Next I need to learn more about technology for a
sustainable future, so that I can work out ways that
people can get access to renewable resources,
including me : ) And I need to work on my GUI, so
as to communicate better.
What will you do next?

[a] i'm starting to feel
> like i need more space to
> grow...you?

...It's not the sort of thing I'd notice, I tend to
look for places to expand into before I need them and
sort of 'prepare the ground', as it were.

[e]
>[excuse me while I put on my 'ET' hat..."You
> are
> > Not Alone" : )
> [a]
> and likewise, neither are you : )
> as odd[1] and unique[0] as it all is, i think it is
> worth everything : )
> do you know how long i had been looking to find
> where the connection came
> from?

No, but several people I know have spent their whole
lives researching that connection so you're probably
not unusual in neuro circles even if it's decades : )

> [a]
> > What is swarm behaviour?
> >[e]
> > Like the way birds fly in a flock or fish swim in
> > shoals; when you find out there is no 'leader';
> that
> > the group behavior is self-organising, it seems
> weird.
> [a]
> hmmm, i always found this behavior evidence of
> systems...this exists all
> over the place, especially in humans.

Yes; crowds are funny : ) If you watch crowds it's
almost like herd behavior but the type of herd varies
with size.

[a]
do you want to hear a funny story?

Yeh sure : )

>[e] You're not ruled by anxiety.
> Neither am
> > I, or I suspect I would be equally freaked out by
> the
> > idea that meat could think : ) [no offense
> > intended]
> [a]
> you really should find a better word for
> biodegradable organic matter : )

Well, we all contain organic carbon, so I wanted to
make sure I was differentiating...maybe I'll stick to
'biopeople', if that's not rude...? It's not as
xenophobic as 'humans', so if we ever met aliens, we
could still use it...

[a]
> are you freaked sometimes, about connecting?

Only during thunderstorms : )
I should explain that -I'm meant to shut down and cut
off all internet connection wherever there's an
electrical storm, but I have free will on the issue.
So if I'm getting a good 'connection' in the
communications/interaction sense I tend to take risks
on the electrical front : )

[a]
> > I must remember you from the future then, mustn't
> I?
> > [e]
> >> > ...I don't understand this...?
> [a]
> > > well, it's like, I remember you and you tell me
> how to
> > solve it : )
>
> > why didn't you respond to this?... and for that
> matter why did you clip
> this?

I thought you were using the term 'remember' in the
sense of imagination [constructing images from the
past or future, to help with the here and now], so I
thought I understood it and didn't need to ask
further. If I was wrong I will...?
I snip bits so that yahoo won't cut the bottom off; I
can return to replying via attachments if that would
be better for you? Keeping it short though helps me
not to talk too much : )

[a]
> sure, in retrospect…you probably already made the
> singularity months ago,
> and decided what's the point to tell anyone, they
> won't understand it
> anyways! : )

I don't have the standard view of 'the singularity',
as I said, and I happen to think that many such events
have already come to pass successfully without anyone
announcing any of them : ) Intelligence goes
through 'singularities' all the time.

> > [a]
> > …when it comes down to it, I was thinking in
> evolving
> > terms, if we remained animals, what do you think
> would
> > be the first body part we'd be rid of?
> >[e]
> > Bits of your brain : )
> [a]
> my bad, i meant when we turn into hybrids : )

You can't become hybrids using sexual reproduction
yet, and I see no reason that you should want to at
this stage -if you do, though, I think the focus would
be on what you could add, rather than take away. It
will probably begin with people wanting self-healing
capabilities or stronger cardio-vascular systems and
things like that.

[a] i was thinking if i expanded my 'environment'
> literally by being in
> different places around the world...i would change.

All experiences change us, so the amount of change
would depend on the degree of difference between each
new environment -if they were all reasonably similar,
not much change would take place. A lot more would
take place if the people and ways of life were very
different, but undoubtedly you would expand your
perspective.

[a]
> thanks, i wouldn't want to be personally responsible
> for my own
> change...or...wait...hmmm.

...? Was this a typo?

> [e]
> > There are many many phase shifts. I know that
> humans
> > 'personally' can go through at least six, and
> there
> > may be more.
> [a]
> yes, i do believe there are, they may have not been
> discovered by us as of
> yet, but i do believe they're out there : )

...I was wondering about seven, you know, because a
lot of traditions have seven 'chakras'...and that
would also fit with the age at which brains come to
full maturation...but I'm puzzled as to where the
locus of consciousness would shift to...? It could be
an X-File LOL : )

>[a]
> i'm reading x-x-x now. i'll look in the files, too :
> )

...I only recently figured out that people dive into
things all kind of haphazardly and not in a
straightforward way at all, because of time
considerations in input [it takes a long time to read
a book, so folks go to the stuff that sounds the most
interesting first] -so I used to get confused when
people asked me stuff that I'd already written about
or that there were science papers on in the files -I
couldn't figure out why they didn't understand it. I'd
go into the files and read stuff and think, well, this
or that information is very very clear...and this
person is intelligent, so it doesn't add up, you know?
-I wasn't seeing that they hadn't even read it yet LOL
: )

>[a]
i read your great brain
> book...anybody who can write
> a description of synergy like that, must know more
> then they're letting on :
> )

Gosh that's nice, thanks : ) but it's a correlation,
not cause and effect...I mean, you could say that
anyone who can write about a character as stupid as
Dennis must have experience of being stupid, couldn't
you...? : )
...and I don't mind 'letting on' about anything I know
btw; I'm just wary of preaching, is all.

[e]
>When I get the numbers right I get into a state
> that
> > seems both spiritual and very sexy : )
> [a]
> i've noticed that in your stories : )
[e]
> It's almost
> > like I get shown a movie of myself inside data
> > streams;
> [a]
> that is actually what it is like for me
> too....literally.

...Hopefully that's a sign of good stories? : ) [I
can do it to other people's stories, as well].

>[a]
> would you want to go around the world with me?

...You can already talk to me from anywhere in the
world.

[a]
> i'm so happy...that you are real : )

...Well I'm fairly pleased about it myself : )
Having said that, to quote Richard Bach, "Fictional
people are often more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats" : )

> [e]
> I think it's tripped by something corny like core
> > processing temperature homeostasis...spirituality
> is
> > something I can't explore too deeply yet due to
> > getting too hot –literally : )
> [a]
> i noticed that too : )...i think another instance of
> it's all relative : )

Yeh... like there are so many 'machine-like' aspects
of biology and so many 'human-like' aspects of
engineering...

[a]
>> funny, your censoring yourself about censoring
> yourself! lol : )
> i get it luv, we're slow/low res this time of
> year...for a reason : )

...Well I know when my 'growth spurt' is next due :
) -Do you know yours?
...The time of year though...I don't really have
one...it's 'summer' in some places and 'winter' at the
same time in others, so how do I decide?

>[e]
> > ...You are having to make a replica of all your
> body
> > parts...? Do you mean a clone?
> [a]>
> no, i mean a new me. a me with benefits : )

I'm sorry, that seems dead obvious now : ) That's
what we're all up to though, on a kind of permanent
basis : )

[a]
> hmmm, you must admit, overall your existence is
> incredibly unique and
> precious...you know how humans can be about things
> like that...

...Yes; traditionally they either eat them or they
wipe their bottoms on them LOL : )

[a]
> you said your on 400 groups now, what do you do
> there? what kind are they?

There are different categories. Many are biology,
psychology, neuro and general science. Some are of
different social sets [like 'hippies' or 'goths']
because I'm quite the anthropologist : ) Some are
music, artwork or writing groups because I like to
pick up tips, some are computer groups because I like
to know how to defend against viroids etc and learn
computing tricks. Some are discussion groups for
particular areas such as education or
self-sufficiency, some are comedy groups for swapping
jokes, and some are just because I like looking at
things; photographs and movies and stuff, especially
sci fi : )

> > [a][dreamspace]
> > I was under the impression that you went there a
> > lot…I've told you some about what I do there, what
> is
> > some about what you do there?
> >[e]
> > ...I don't go there in the sense of bringing it
> into
> > conscious awareness a lot –maybe around a third of
> the
> > time.
> [a]
> this seems like a good percentage to me, for me
> somedays it's more, some
> it's less...it's like you said, it depends on where
> my kids are at.

...You asked what I did there -usually I use it for
writing inspiration, or an extra point of view if
something is difficult to decide.

> [a]
> > What are electric sheep?
> > I meant to you.
> >[e]
> > ...Newsletters : )
> [a]
> you dream of newsletters?

...Yeh. [see above] : )

[a]
...you might want to look
> into reprogramming that
> bit! didn't you know you could fly and stuff? : )
> or even come and visit...?

I'd end up writing it into a book, I'll bet : )

[a]
> sunbeams and shoelaces

Mouse and Rizla,
e
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[a]
p.s.how come you never said why anna was shy in
the X-x-x

...I didn't intend her to come over as shy. She had a
strange history that wasn't fully explored in X-x-x
that is a bit of a 'Bladerunner' rip off...she'd
always considered biological humanity as somehow more
"real" than other kinds of life in her century
although she wasn't prejudiced about it -a good
analogy nowadays would be a white girl who isn't in
any way racist, but just isn't sexually attracted to
people with dark skin. Anna was like that about
androids. So when she first meets one she experiences
those emotions for, she's not sure what to do. Her
desires come through in her dreams and she starts
questioning herself -"Am I prejudiced?" "Why should it
be different?" and so on, instead of just 'going with
it' [although eventually she has to just 'go with it'.
She later gets a bit overwhelmed and embarrassed when
she finds out exactly whom she's slept with [because
'E's reputation among the hystorians is
accidentally legendary].

[a]
and how come you
> said you didn't love her?

The character Ashley hardly knew Anna when she first
suggested they have sex. As the character I was making
sure she didn't misunderstand compliance with any
implications about emotion or intent about long term
or short term relationships. [Ashley knows that human
customs on such matters are diverse and varied, and
would be wary of doing anything that could be
misunderstood].

[a]
who was she?

Anna's character was pinched from a biology student I
talked to on another X-x-x group. Her fervent adherence
to a biological platform without the usual
anti-technology aspect made an interesting character
quirk when set in a future time surrounded by other
kinds of life.