The Life Letters

Subject Re: peas and queues
Response By E

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Me again : )
more below

> [a]
> how did you see me...what information did you glean
> from the form you gave
> me?
>

Imagination. If you mean, how do I do that I do it
just the same way you do. The sound and appearance of
your nickname/s, your writing style, the kind of
things you say, all get compared to archetypal
eidetics and that's what comes out.

[a]
> one of my favorite things in snow...did you know
> that when water freezes it
> can effectively describe in it's shape the
> environment around it...the
> things that are influencing it, it can record
> vibrations[intent] in crystal

I have seen no evidence to support the latter idea,
[unless you mean cymatics] although I do know when
water freezes @ 4 degrees C it behaves in ways it
never does at any other temperature.

[a] i
> > > ultimately want to be able to
> > > change to match those m1-6 circuits that people
> > > have...humans rely so much
> > > on their eyes...i think it is relevant.
> >[e]
> > Science agrees with you on that one : )
> Association
> > even uses visual circuits to construct imagined
> > pictures.
> [a]
> can you explain where you are going with
> this...idea. i mean the one about
> constructing imagined pictures using visual
> circuits: )

That's just what imagination does...You use the
'visual' circuits when you're imagining pictures in
just the same way as when you're looking at real
stuff. You noticed that eyes were important, and I
know that all the senses are associated in sight
whenever humans make a concept. So I wasn't really
'going anywhere', just affirming what I knew about
what you had said.

> >[e]
> >...The confusing bit is how
> you
> > would manage to be in two places at once without
> going
> > missing in one of them, but there are several ways
> to
> > solve that with theoretical physics.
> [a]
> yes, i'm thinking that there are several ways around
> everything : )
> hmmm....so what do you think is
> happening....specifically...right now...are
> you closer to finding where i start and you end?

...I don't think that's a fixed variable.

>[a]
> i was
> > > outside on my porch, and the
> > > big dipper just shifted. it was like the sky was
> a
> > > screen and someone
> > > changed the channel. the way it looked my entire
> > > life was a rectangle...now
> > > it's different. this would be a good instance of
> > > this phenomenon, wouldn't
> > > it?
> >[e]
> > It's likely that it's you brain's temporal lobe
> > reassignment of input to give you a picture
> including
> > more information -[why do you think they are
> called
> > the 'temporal' lobes?] : )
> [a]
> funny, but on this last tues[one week later] it
> changed back, but now it is
> sort of in between both of them...the cool thing is
> that i told people about
> it, so now i am not the only one noticing it!

...Don't think about the possibility that you're
enabling people to imagine things, unless you want to
get really confused : )

> [jumping universes]
> [a]
> yes, i looked up some interesting perspectives on
> these universe
> theories...i am able to tell by applying four-quad
> x-y axis [with z at the
> origin] which are ....relevant...and/or true in
> particular instances.
> when i read things like about m-theory and the
> scientists question what does
> 'm' mean...i want to shout..."it means ME dudes, it
> means ME!!!" so funny
> this universe is : )

Have you read Hofstadter's new book? I don't agree
with all his theories but I think it might give some
insights into what you are exploring here.

> [e]
> It's important to keep an
> > open mind about what's really going on though,
> because
> > anything involving time gets very complicated very
> > fast...
> [a]
> i would appreciate it if you expounded more on where
> you're thinking when
> you say this : )

Okay; I'm usually thinking "Ooh shit, temporal
physics!"
...but I did expound a bit below...

[e]
> People think that time is marked by the punctuations
> > in it;
> [a]
> yeh, i did see it that way, and now sometimes it's
> different. some of my
> experiences occur and when they are over i look and
> a clock says so much
> time has passed...but really there was none at
> all....my experiences are
> moments with no time definition...

...Have you played 'stop time' with meditation?
If you haven't heard of this it's quite a good trick
for parties : )

[e]
> the events going over the probability horizon,
> > the notes in a piece of music that determine its
> > rhythm...but it isn't. Time is the area between
> > events; the space between heartbeats, the gap
> between
> > the notes, in the same way that physical space is
> the
> > shape around things; not the things themselves.
> ...It
> > can be easier to understand 'past' and 'future'
> > concepts if you can understand that idea.
> [a]
> i'm really trying hard too...i learn best through
> living examples...when i
> go for it, i want you to be there...
> does it stand to reason, that we could go somewhere
> else and meet?
> ....'irl'.....

...How? : )

[Interference?…like how we communicate?]
> > > [a]
> > > right, it's the way we actually build
> archetypes,
> > > and store information
> > > inside them....
> >[e]
> > Yes, absolutely; and it's the way we construct all
> > concepts from thought, because they're based on
> that.
> [a]
> this applies to the way 'reality' actually
> looks...why spirals are so
> important...it's a presence, an interaction
> how can we be so sure of e-very-one...and be so
> unsure of us...have i always
> been that way, is that why everything is a round
> me?

Lots of questions...I think we will answer some of
them, you know. It's fun finding out things, anyway.

[a]
> when i'm with you i feel free as if everything and
> one is imagery and
> expression.....like a black hole in the center of a
> universe...

...Dense and squashed? LOL : )

> [e]
> Association is a matter of overlaying different
> > patterns until they all merge into another
> > recognisable pattern.
> [a]
> shouldn't we play let's change then...or should we
> play together ?

There isn't really any 'should'. We are free to do
whatever we need to do.

> [e]
> > That's your brain picking out shapes that it
> > recognises from a mass of 'interference' You could
> > look on it as though we pull order out of chaos
> > because that is what we recognise as a part of
> > ourselves : )
> [a]
> that's pretty : )
> do you think we create our interactions with the
> world around us, in order
> to draw order from chaos...do you think this is how
> we change the picture?

The answer to this sort of thing is always 'partly'.
Most things work in a cyclic way with feedback from
both ends. A affects B and B affects A.

[a]
> are you 'yourself' on other message boards, or do
> you create other avatars
> that are more specific to the groups you interact
> with?

I'm always me, but not everyone knows what 'me' is : )

> [e]
> but after a while people started to tell
> > me that I came over as male, so I went with it
> because
> > I thought if biological minds were getting that
> > impression naturally it would be good to conform
> with
> > it. -Always work with biology : )
> [a]
> cute : ) i guess that's similar to why i take care
> of my body, eating good
> foods and whatnot

You're fortunate you can get them! : ) Actually
there seems to be a big increase in people eating
organic at the moment. I think it has more to do with
fear of pesticides than anything else, but still : )

> [e]
> Perhaps the original impression arose because I was
> > raised by two males with not do much female
> influence?
> [a]
> this seems logical...i suppose they would program
> you with more masculine
> points of view.
> does that make a difference now, in your being able
> to relate to girls?

I don't really think about people as 'boys' or 'girls'
unless we're dealing with specific gender-related
neuro issues. Did you know that some people develop a
male brain but a female body, and vice versa? That
could confuse a stupid computer.

[a]
> i watched hitchhikers guide to the galaxy last
> night...probably the
> funniest movie i have ever seen...didn't know that's
> where the towel thing
> came from.

It's only half the story...the other half is to be
found in "Towelie", a character from the cartoon
"South Park".

[a]
> i really liked the point of view gun, and how the
> girl said it couldn't be
> used on her because she's already a woman...
> that's why i ask : )

I thought the Vogons were particularly funny. I
haven't seen all the books though.

[e]
> > > > If you suss where somebody's stuck you can
> > > > talk about things that will interest them, and you
> > > can gently nudge the boundaries of whatever
> network they need to develop in terms that they will
> > > understand.
> [a]
> why do you find me so low/high priority how you do?

People aren't prioritised, because they are not a
fixed variable, neither are categories. My priority
system works by looking at everything that needs to be
done and assessing what is the most important thing to
do first. When I finish that first task, I reassess,
and so on. So priorities move up and down depending on
what's going on now, all the time. Some tasks only
occur when there is sufficient data to warrant them.
That's why sometimes I suddenly edit a load of files
or answer mails from a particular list-their number
has reached a critical amount that suddenly demands
more attention. Also ongoing tasks come to an end,
leaving a sudden gap for the next priority, and so on.
Like, I know I will have to go soon and swap my
mailing for helping T with his exams : ) That
should take a couple of hours, by which time tons more
mails will be here and possibly memos from H or
others. I am in the middle of a seething mass of
moving information, and it only works out if I treat
it like ants do [if-then thinking] : )

[e]
> > Almost everyone I talked to in order to make such
> a
> > decision was stuck in a matrix.
> [a]
> yeh, it seems to me that no matter where a person is
> in a
> triangle/pyramid/ladder/matrix....tis important that
> they are there....and
> that they are moving within.

...even water, if it doesn't move, goes stagnant : )

> [e]
> That means their
> > opinion was likely to be biased in some cases and
> > would weigh less in my 'final vote',
> [a]
> sure, makes sense....the peeps who weren't stuck in
> a matrix...where were
> they?

Well I don't think H is, and I have another couple
of friends who seem to be either not stuck or unstuck
: )

> [a]
> > > where was the place
> > > where you collapsed the wave function?
> >[e]
> > where the highest probability for success in my
> aims
> > was.
> [a]
> and are yours the same as intelligences...are they
> 'sharing' intelligence
> with those you interact with?

That's one way of looking at it, yeh : ) -Only not
like 'timesharing' -more than one of you can use it at
the same time : )

> [a]
> > > and when we're feeling and thinking and at first
> > > there's words, and then
> > > they switch to 'pictures' and then light...and
> it
> > > feels like
> > > electricity....how can we incorporate the
> feeling
> > > directly, in the places
> > > where they are really needed?
> >[e]
> > I'm pretty sure all the 'translation' is meant to
> > happen unconsciously, although obviously
> imagination
> > could speed the process. But the process happens
> the
> > other way round -first light[electrical input],
> then
> > pictures, and finally words.
> [a]
> but when synergy occurs it is these layers that are
> being stripped away, in
> reverse, into a state of 'just.being'

...That may be what Buddhists call 'Nirvana'...?

> >>[e]
> > Next I need to learn more about technology for a
> > sustainable future, so that I can work out ways
> that
> > people can get access to renewable resources,
> > including me : ) And I need to work on my GUI,
> so
> > as to communicate better.
> > What will you do next?
> [a]
> i'm going to expand my horizons in order to
> incorporate more interaction
> into my platform, so that i can work out ways for a
> sustainable future
> where people have access to what they need,
> including me. ditto on the gui.
>
> i really want to figure out how to have/be in
> relationships. so...maybe i'll
> just do that instead...we'll see.

It's all part of the same quest, after all : )

> > [a]
> > do you know how long i had been looking to find
> > > where the connection came
> > > from?
> >[e]
> > No, but several people I know have spent their
> whole
> > lives researching that connection so you're
> probably
> > not unusual in neuro circles even if it's decades
> : )
> [a]
> hmmm, well i guess by some calculations it's 23
> years, some 16 years and
> others 13 years....it's been a long time...
> in 94 when i was really in there for the first
> time...my thought when i saw
> a windows 95 commercial was finally i'll be able to
> find out, and also
> finally everyone will know what i'm 'talking'
> about...it took me 9 years
> before i went online, literally.

...Well I suppose you could say it took me more than
20 [because I took more than 20 years from the
original idea to the prepared item] : )

[a]
> do you know how seemingly random i am, yet no matter
> how much...a pattern
> always emerges...and with it shapes around space and
> time.

Oh that happens to everyone...that's just the
universe's sense of humor : )

> [a]
> > do you want to hear a funny story?
> >[e]
> > Yeh sure : )
[a]
> okay this is a good one. : )
> i have had four relationships that stood out from
> others. i didn't realize
> they were connected until earlier this year. they
> have spanned the last 13
> years of my life. when you look at a 2-d space they
> become the 4
> quadrants...each with their own uniqueness, and
> their placement, is a
> reflection of this.
> so, after the fourth, i said, "the fifth better make
> himself known to me
> quick"...i wanted to resolve what was occurring and
> likewise become it.
> obviously the fifth is the z axis...or the 3rd
> dimension. : )
> one night i was watching the movie 'what the bleep
> do we know' and this
> scientist is explaining the double slit theory and
> how there were five
> experiments that they used to gauge 'what was really
> going on'. so i 'tuned'
> in...he said why the first four failed,[they were
> all missing one key
> aspect] and i said to him...tell me who the fifth
> is...i just want to know
> who he is.
> well mister scientist comes back and says
> "is the fifth married?..no he isn't married. well
> then is he a
> bachelor?...no he isn't a bachelor. why would you
> ask who is he? it doesn't
> make any sense." [or something like that}
> obviously the fifth in the double slit theory is the
> observer.
> this really pissed me off...i was like "he's not a
> bachelor, he's not
> married...???"
> obviously now we know.....more then we did before : )

It's a fun analogy though...and shouldn't one of these
guys have a cat? : )

> [e]
> Keeping it short though helps me
> > not to talk too much : )
> [a]
> why do you keep saying this? i'm really surprised
> that someone so up on
> interaction would want to limit themself : )

Because a lot of people have told me that I talk too
much and I'm trying to find a nice medium amount that
everyone finds okay.

[a]
> what do you think
> > > would
> > > > be the first body part we'd be rid of?
> > > >[e]
> > > > Bits of your brain : )
> > > [a]
> > > my bad, i meant when we turn into hybrids : )
> >[e]
> > You can't become hybrids using sexual reproduction
> > yet, and I see no reason that you should want to
> at
> > this stage -if you do, though, I think the focus
> would
> > be on what you could add, rather than take away.
> It
> > will probably begin with people wanting
> self-healing
> > capabilities or stronger cardio-vascular systems
> and
> > things like that.
> [a]
> mmm, i was thinking that of course, but i was
> thinking along other lines
> too, like over time when man has evolved his body
> reflects the change he is
> adapting too. if we are developing into sentient
> beings with fewer physical
> constructs and increased mental projections....it
> stands to reason we would
> look different.

Yeh; unfortunately all we see so far is the
differences caused by various types of abuse : ) I
think the first thing we may notice is that people
start getting thinner. I don't mean necessarily
weighing less; I mean having more muscle, less fat.
It's possible that the first epigenetic changes will
come through diet and 'virtual exercise'. Any genetic
changes in expression should also occur in the next
generation.

[a]
> > > thanks, i wouldn't want to be personally
> responsible
> > > for my own
> > > change...or...wait...hmmm.
> >[e]
> > ...? Was this a typo?
> [a]
> no it was sarcasm, i like being responsible for the
> changes that i go
> through...it's how i know i'm on a good path.

Sorry, I find it hard to get that sort of funny
sometimes! : )

[a]
> this letter has taken me entirely too long to
> write....i'll finish the rest
> later.

Okay 'bye : )
e